Oct. 21, 2022

ApHC BOD Candidate for Territory VI - Jim Hollis


Jim Hollis has been a member of the ApHC for almost 20 years involving himself in many areas of the industry. He has had a chance to breed, raise, and show several World and National Champions.
He also met one-on-one with the membership as he organized
shows, futurities, and tack swaps. Most importantly, through his many endeavors has developed a FAMILY that shares one thing in common, the APPALOOSA. 
He beileves that it is time to step into another area of the organization to
use his background and talents and make a difference for the ApHC. His education in Non-profit Management and Organizational Leadership will prove to be one of his biggest assets, along with his drive for growth and communication with others.
 He looks forward to using his skills, experience, and passion for the
industry to further the success of both the membership and the future of the
organization.
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Transcript
Tony Bottoms:

Hey everybody. Welcome to Appaloosa podcast. I'm your host, Tony, and today we have Jim Hollis with us. I was gonna invite all the guests, or excuse me, all the people who were running for B o d who were not going unopposed, and that leaves Jim because I was looking at the list today. Every territory except for yours is running unopposed

Jim Hollis:

It's crazy, isn't it? Yeah.

Tony Bottoms:

Well, you know, and I apologize for everybody in Territory five. You're in territory six. I was going to run for territory five. I actually did everything I was supposed to do, went, got the names, you know, everybody signed off on the, the thing and all that. I turned it in the very first day of national. and then there's one little part that I missed was that everybody who signed that piece of paper was supposed to be from my territory, and two of the names were not outta my territory, and, but they didn't check the names till after the due date, and therefore I couldn't. I was like, Well, I'll go get two more names. No, we can't do that because it's after the due date, and if we allow that, then, you know, it could be, there could be problems down the road. I'm like, all right, whatever. Seems to me like you're kind of splitting straws, but, you know, that's just me, you know?

Jim Hollis:

Yeah. Go ahead, . No, I can, I can kinda see that, you know, I, I understand where they're coming from, but at the same time that. Right. It's just a,

Tony Bottoms:

Sorry, my phone's ringing. No, that's okay. So my first question I have for you is, do you know what you're getting yourself into ? Jim Hollis: Well I've, you know, I've know, between, I've, I've been on a lot of different boards, you know, through. my school from when I was in college through my church. You know, and then of course when I, you know, getting into horses here you know, I've been on those reg, the regional boards and then managing horse shows. So am do I? Is it gonna be the same? I definitely, I doubt it. . Tony Bottoms: Well, it seems like every I talk to 'em, they'll get you know, get voted in and then I'll talk to 'em like a year later and they're like, Oh man, this is not what I thought it was going to be. So that's kinda reason why I asked that question. But, you know, you, like you said, you've been on some of the regional stuff, so I guess to some extent, you know what it's like, but. On a national scale, but I mean, I don't know, maybe, maybe it's more similar than I think it is. But I guess my next question kind of give us a little bit of your background and all that. What, I mean what led you to this point? Well,

Jim Hollis:

you know, I think I have been around, forever. As far as I wouldn't say forever, you know, I mean, there's always somebody there longer. But it just, I, I like to be involved and I like to always do other things. So one of the thing, you know, since I had been so involved with the Michigan Appaloosa Horse Club and. Western Appaloosa Horse Club. I thought that it would be great to just kind of keep going, you know. Then I started, you know, being more involved with managing the shows, and then I started managing, coordinating with another member. The tax swap, The Finlay Tax Swap, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so it's just it's kind of more of a, a progression. Like I've, I've been in different AR arenas right throughout the industry and interacted with different people, and I've seen what has affected them and what hasn't. And then of course, what's affected me and, you know, so I'm just like, well, let's now the spot's open or up, so let's see what I can do.

Tony Bottoms:

All right. Well, you're, since you said that you're up against Ray Burette mm-hmm. If I remember correctly. So since we're here talking about why people should vote for you, why do you think that you would be the better choice in that respect?

Jim Hollis:

In, in general, I, Ray is a wonderful knowledgeable. Obviously experienced horseman and definitely a great board of director now. I just think that with any and I look up to him in a lot of different ways but I think that with, even with any board, it's important to for people to give their. Take a break and then come back even too. And so later on, you know, it's, there's an opportunity for new ideas and a fresh outlook. And I think that I have that. And I've also, I know raise a judge and he's also been involved with the management of a few. . And obviously he's been around for years and a current board of directors, so he, he knows. But being a non-pro, I think that that's also a different side because I, it hits the membership. You know, full on. So I think that's one of the things that, you know, we can make the rules, we can see how things are affected, but you know, it boils down to the, the membership and how we can implement things. How we can make things grow. And so as I've walked around on the, at the horse shows and the different events, I. The perspective, you know, if you're a a judge, you know, there's always gonna be that, Oh, I might show to Ray someday. And so I'm not gonna say how I really feel, you know, , right? Yeah. So, you know, it's that. Or, and not necessarily Ray, but I mean just any board of director that might be a judge. You know, it's, there's always those. , you know, things in the back of your mind. So yeah,

Tony Bottoms:

I, I, I feel you on that one because you know, with Heather Manage and Stallion and now our second stallion that we're manager our up upcoming style upcoming stallion, which is very

Jim Hollis:

nice, by the way. I really like him. Thank you.

Tony Bottoms:

Thanks. Thanks. Appreciate it. Thanks. So the, when at first we were really, Careful about what we said to who we said it. We've been around a little bit longer now, so we're not so much worried about it anymore, But it is true. It does. It can affect your outcome and particularly when you're looking at, you know, we got a lot of money involved in this. We've got a lot of time and effort and pain and sweat and , you know, everything else that goes along with it. And I'll be honest with you, because of some of the issues that we had before, you know, we're like, do we really want it to show a PHC anymore? Do we want, you know, maybe we'll go there for the big shows, but do we really want to deal with that? There's this whole other world out there that we can be showing, you know, Pintos nsba, you know, all the maturities. You know, you're gonna be getting money back if you go to the maturities and you win. You know, So it's like, it's a struggle for us. It really is. I mean, we love the breed, we love the horses. We love a lot of the people in the associa. But some of the stuff that the association's doing, we do not agree with. And part of that is what you are speaking on is the non pros. It seems like a lot of decisions are made not thinking about the non pro. It seems like they're more made for the big trainers and the big names in the business or in the, In the association. Mm-hmm. . And so, yeah, I agree with you on that. , you know, there's a lot more minnows in the sea than there are sharks and, you know. Yeah. So, and that's, that's the way we've always kind of looked at it, and it's like, and I understand as a board member that there's sometimes a fine line or there's some balance in it you have to do there, but to me it would seem like it would be in the long run, better for the association. If you're looking for the majority of your people, which it seems like what you're saying is, you know, the non pros, that's, that's the majority of your organization. Mm-hmm. . So are there some ideas that you have that you would hope to implement or that you would like to present? Well,

Jim Hollis:

I think, and I mentioned this in one of the posts I made Earlier this week was, you know, a while, a while back there was the trainer's Crisis Fund Fund. Right? Right. And so that is something that I wanted to, I want to take a look at. I know that it's not part of the a p hc and I know that it's not eligible. to be managed and that it's currently part of the foundation. So, but the thing is, is that there is no program that is supported to financially assist our members, trainers, breeders, any of those people that we care about in times of crisis. Okay. So. , you see that in many of the other organizations and there's gotta be a way that we can set up something that is structured that it can happen and be supported on a regular basis. It doesn't have to be hard. I think we may tend. I think we tend to make things a lot more difficult than they need to be.

Tony Bottoms:

I think with any large organization, things get complicated by multitude. You know, I've spent a lot of time in the military and it's like one simple thing, Hey, can we do this? And it's like, you know, you get all this bureaucracy that gets involved. So, I mean, I, I get what you're saying on that one, but, There really, you know, normally there's like a lot of decisions that have come down, but a board that I can ask questions about, but there really haven't been a whole lot here lately. They've been kind of quiet actually, which is scary in a

Jim Hollis:

way. . Well, and that's, I think you know, my initial, my, my platform getting on has, is really. , what I just mentioned about the trainers crisis fund, only because it's going to support our people. But in the also is communication Right. And it's communication across the board, whether it's we saw an issue over the weekend regarding the photographer and Yeah, yeah, yeah. and, you know, and, and I, and then the. The clarification that was made by Chris, the clarification that Yeah. That Chris Christopher made, and which, that alone right there, I mean, first off is progress showing that, you know, updates are being made to clarify things, but. We as members need to understand that there is a time difference from the east side of the country to the, you know, west side of the country. And then in order to fix things and then we also have to make sure that what we are putting out there is clear and simplified. You know, it, I mean, you look at the registration papers the DNA papers to. A full I mean, they're so complicated that you don't even wanna do it. And then by the time you get through reading it it costs so much money that it's like I have to wait until you know, I get hair and all this kinda stuff. I understand, you know, by all means it's all important, but it's, you gotta make it fun and not.

Tony Bottoms:

Well, it should be a simplified process. And the, the fact of a matter of, and I've, I know people that listen to watch a show have heard me say this on multiple occasions. Why are we not doing it online? It's so simple to be able to do it online, and I know the answer, but you know mm-hmm. I know what the answer is. We could have done it already, but we didn't to make the, the process so much easier and said, Well, yeah, you gotta mail in the hairs for DNA tests. All the other stuff, but to do a transfer, come on. It shouldn't take that long to do a transfer. You know, it's, if you've ever dealt with the Jo, the Jockey Club, you know, we've got thoroughbreds, Dude, you can get it done in 30 minutes and it's boom, you get your papers within two or three days, you know it. There's no reason why it should be taken that. And like I said, I, I mean I, I know what the, the answer is. Well, I know the reason behind it. It's, we need to update our computer system. We need to be able to do it. Mm-hmm.

Jim Hollis:

Well, and, and see, and that's and I think it's great that they're doing the transfers at the World show, you know, that offering that option for the one time and you know, they are making. You know, since Christopher's gotten in the office, you know, there's been quite a lot of little changes and discussions and stuff like that, so that's, that's been great. But just like even updating the computer system, there's, it's, that seems to, I've been hearing that for years. I, it's always seems to be the well we can't do it cuz we need to update the, you know, computer system and.

Tony Bottoms:

There was I sat in on a BD meeting. It was, you know, they gave out the link and let people listen in. Mm-hmm. and somebody asked that question and the IT guy said, Well, he said, you know, back before Covid, we could have done it. We had the personnel to do it. We could have done it quite easily. But then I guess they've cut back on the budget and late, you know, got rid of some people and stuff like that with covid. attrition and all that kind of stuff. He goes, Now, eh, you know, I think it's just him and maybe one or two other guys, but mm-hmm. . Yeah. I was like, But he said we could have done it. It's just no one gave us the go ahead to do it. It, yeah. It does seem like Chris is trying to do, make some changes where proficiency and productivity come to play. He's the one he called. With about the B od. He goes, Look, I wanted to let you know before you got the letter, and this was what happened. And he said he went to the executive board and talked to the executive board, and he said it was ultimately executive board's decision. I was like, All right. I said, I'm not happy about it, but I'll accept it. You know, I made a mistake. I didn't, I missed that one part. So that was my fault. Okay. But I don't know, there just seems to be. So much that needs to be taken care of, that it's a heavy lift. I think it's gonna be a heavy lift. And if he doesn't have board members behind him helping him do that lift, I don't think he's gonna get it done. I don't think he's gonna get very far, and I think that he's gonna have some resistance from some of the people in the office. And I think it's a, it's a combination thing. I think it's, you know, I know there were a few board members that really wanted to make some big changes, but the, at the time the CEO wasn't behind him on making those changes. And I think now Chris is wanting to make some changes. I don't know if he has the bod behind him, everybody on the b od behind him. So it, it always seems to be that push and pull kind of thing going on that. I don't know. I mean, may, that, may, That's just my outside perspective. Hopefully you can give us some better perspective once you get in. You know what I'm saying? Well,

Jim Hollis:

at least I hope I get in. Right. Right. No, that, and, and I agree with you there. Like because, and that's also why I pretty much just have those few little platforms to stand on right now because I, I feel that every, everything. Either has been done for a reason or is there for a reason. So you can't just dive in, you know, and say, I'm gonna change this. I'm gonna, I don't like this. And because it's being done, whether it's been good or bad you know, whether it was because it never got changed or got changed for whatever reason, you know, it's being done for a reason. So I, if I were to get elected, When I get in, I have to discover or figure out why certain things have been done before I can really formulate, you know, an opinion, you know, on those changes. So I, I think that but I think things that I have commented on and stated like Christopher's responses have always already been, you know, we're working on that. We're moving forward with stuff. I talked to some board of directors already about the DNA because I think that there should be an opportunity to use more than one lab to do DNA testing. And, but I mean, that's not what I talk to them about, but that's my thoughts.

Tony Bottoms:

Right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you. It seems like, and. A lot of it is his perspective. Mm-hmm. , it seems like a lot of times when the club makes a decision to do something like dna, it seems like it's benefiting something somebody, you know? Mm-hmm. , like, if you can only use this I'm losing the word, what it is, this lab. Yeah. And it's like, but they're not even. The Premier Lab, you know, they're not like the ones that A Q H A use, you know, they're not uc Davis. You know, Or it's like, why this one? You know? And it, it's, it's like, it makes you kind of shake your head, like the whole thing went down with the photographer. You know, when you read the statement that was put out, it seemed like the club was being g. . Mm-hmm. , that they were trying to get people's money, that they were trying to stop people from taking pictures of their loved ones, you know, enjoying their horses and stuff like that. And it seemed, again, part of perspective, it seemed like the club was being greedy cuz they wanted the money. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. like, and I've asked this question too. I, last year at World, we stayed in the RV spot. I know how. Fort Worth charges for those RSB spots when Appaloosa is not there. And I can tell you they're making a lot of money off of us staying in RVs, you know, And it's like, why? If you can justify that to me, I'm, I'm right there with you. And you know, if you, if you can break it down for me and say, this is why we're charging this much. I'm there with you. Like I, I was at a Pinto show and I said something to Bill Bke about something, and he broke it down for me. I mean, right off the top of his head, he went, boom, boom, boom, boom. He goes, That's why we charge this much. I was like, Okay, I'm sorry. My bad. Right. So in certain things, like you're saying, the, the communication, the, you know, the open. Sometimes is there, but then with a lot of things, it seems like everybody, they're trying to hide things sometimes and that makes for suspicious people, you know? And you can overlook it every once in a while, but when it, you see it happening on a regular basis, you start going, eh, that's, you know, it happens once. Okay. Happens a second time. Ah, that's coincidence happens the third time. You're like, Eh, it still could be. And it happens again. You're like, All right, coincidence is out the window now. You know? It's like there, there's something going on here, but not being on the inside. I know there may be a reason behind it. There may be something that I'm not aware of, but at the same time, somebody's not telling me to change my perspective too. You know, you want to talk. Being open, Be open, be open about everything, you know? Mm-hmm. , and I guess that's a little bit where my suspicion comes from with stuff like that. And I, we, we, we've had a, a rough go things with the club here lately. And you know, we, like I said, we love the breed, we love the horses, we love the people, particularly the non pros that we hang out with all the. You know? Mm-hmm. , we love those people, but as far as the club is concerned, man, we're having a rough time here lately. You know? We're having a rough, we're having a rough time loving them, You know what I'm saying? . Yeah. We, we want to, but, oh man, it's, it's tough here lately, you know, it's like, you know, I really want to get behind something and then something happens, you know, like the picture thing. Oh man, come on now. You know, we, we want it to be different, you know, That was one of the reasons why I was wanting to run for b o d. Mm-hmm. . I don't know if I could've made a difference. I'll be honest with you. I don't know. I don't know if I could, could've made a difference. Mm-hmm. , you know, I know I have new ideas. I know I have fresh ideas. I know that in certain areas, I am probably an expert that they don't have, you know, with the marketing and the social media outreach and stuff like that. Mm-hmm. , which, you know, I speak, coming back to that, evidently we have a new marketing director. Did anybody know that? Did you know that?

Jim Hollis:

Well, no. Not until we started getting recently. Yeah. Mm-hmm. , Tony Bottoms: I got an email from him , You know what I'm saying? Oh. I did have a friend who called up to the office and she said some guy answered the phone and he said, I'm new here. I don't know the answer. Let me find somebody. And then next thing it knows, I got an email from a new marketing director and he introduced himself and I was like, Oh, when did that happen? ? But you know, Oh, oh yeah. No, then I didn't know that.

Tony Bottoms:

So yeah, we got, evidently we got new marketing director, so, so well, or man, manager, I don't know what they call 'em, but, you know, But the, the question I didn't get to ask is are they both the marketing director for a p c and for the journal, like the previous ones were, Or have they separated those two? I kind of, to me it kind of feels like there's a conflict of interest there, you know? Mm-hmm. , but you know, again, obviously they didn't believe that L State wouldn't have done it. So, And hope, Go ahead.

Jim Hollis:

Sorry. Oh, I was just gonna say is like that right there is one thing that somebody, if not everybody in the office, and then everybody should. Either it should be spelled out in the gen, on the jour, in the journal or on the website. And it needs to be black and white. Because we're such a small organization and we do utilize resources, it's okay, but we need to know how it falls. I mean, I have, I have concerns, and this goes back to. Trainers Crisis Fund, Just about how much, how involved we are with the foundation. You know, in one respect, I'm told that the APH is not part of the foundation, that they do their own thing and yet we're consulted about different things with them. They, you know, we do other things with them and it's. Is it just are, are they using us for support or are they act and their own marketing and not doing anything and riding the boat? You know? Cause that's not how a nonprofit organization works. Right. You're either, you know, if you're gonna be separate, you're gonna be separate, you know, so. Right, right. And it just needs to be defined so people understand what's going on. So those underlying conversations don't get created and create animosity amongst everybody.

Tony Bottoms:

Right. I know one time they were wanting to go back through the rules, and I know somebody had started to do it. I don't know if they're still somebody doing it, but they were want, they're going back to the rules line by line and trying to figure out if it was applicable or not to keep that. and mm-hmm. . I know that's why we got a lot of rule changes there for a while is because some of 'em were outdated and some of 'em were contradictory and stuff like that. So I don't, like I said, I don't know if somebody's still doing it, and I understand something like that takes a lot of time. I mean, if you've sat down and ever read the rule book, I mean, it'll take you a while to read the rule book and then sit down and read the rule book and go, Do we still need that? I mean that probably doubles or triples the time, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And so, but I mean, it would be nice to kind of get an update on stuff like that. I know there's a lot of stuff that got, has gotten started, but then what happened with it, it's like it just kinda like goes away and you're not really too sure if it's still going on or not, or what, And it, it'd just kind of be nice to be updated on stuff like that. And again, I. The people in the office are, or were short staffed and they've got a lot on their plates, but you know, I feel that that's part of what the people in the office are for is to make sure that the rest of the club is educated or at least informed on what's going on. I mean, if you're not informed because. I do it, I've done it. You go in and you try to follow the minutes and all that for all the meetings and stuff like that. And it's, it's tedious to do that, you know? Mm-hmm. , cause you got so many different meetings and they're buried so deep in the website that, you know, to get to it, you know, takes you 15 minutes just to get to So it, you know, I'm kind of used to that, you know, my, my degree's in accounting, so I'm kind of used to digging through stuff like, And I know most people aren't. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, man, it sure would be nice to have somebody that could go, Hey, look, here's what's going on. You know? Mm-hmm. , may I, Is there anything particular that you'd like to talk about that with running for the bod or, or whatever? It doesn't matter, quite frankly.

Jim Hollis:

No. I, I, I really don't think so. I mean, I, I think. You know, getting the youth involved in the regional clubs is huge. Yeah. Yeah. And that is definitely gotta be a focus for all of us. And so how we do that is gonna be something that we need to evaluate. I don't know if maybe. If the regional clubs got some sort of support from the, you know, aph C in general to push additional programs or whatever towards the youth or just in general something. But we have to do, it all starts with the regional clubs. We're seeing regional clubs drop all the time because the volunteers aren't there and we just put on. a show in Ohio here in September, and it took let's see. We had people from Pennsylvania, Michigan and let's see, and Indiana all helping us with the structure of the. You know? Right. Just to put it together, you know, between trail and games and the office and everything, you know, I mean, it just, it takes a lot.

Tony Bottoms:

Right, right. And, well, I think I asked Lori about this one time, or I asked somebody about this cuz I know the apa, or excuse me, the paints have like an internship program and they'll have interns come in and they're in college for you. Equine management or whatever, and they'll intern. They have some of 'em, they're are there for a year. They have some of 'em there for less than a year, maybe like a show season or whatever that come in and help like that. And I asked, I think it was Lori, I may be wrong, but. I asked, I'm like, Do we have anything like that? And they're like, No, we don't have anything like that. And I'm like, Isn't there a college like right across the street from where headquarters is at? And they're like, Yeah, it's pretty much right across the street. I'm like, Wouldn't that be a great opportunity to, to do something like that? I know, and I know Garden State does a lot of stuff with like four H and stuff like that, and I know there's some other clubs out there that do that. But Garden State's the one that's popping in my mind, right. and you know, you know, stuff like that. Getting involved with the four H. But I mean, like, I think it was Laurie was telling me about what they did with the four H and how they have, you know, cuz with four H and with ffa they have like a judging that they do. And so she has them come in and shadow a judge during a show to, you know, show them for part of their curriculum and stuff like that. I mean, that's an awesome way to do it and. Out on the East Coast, you know, Heather grew up on the East coast and four H is real big out there. It's not so big here in Oklahoma, here it's ffa, you know, And, but that's how, like Heather said, that's, that's how she got started with horses, was joining four H, you know, going to four H Barn, you know? Yeah, yeah. And Jeffrey Oaks, he said the same thing. You know, he's, well, he's from Virginia also, and he's like, Hey, that's how I got started. Pat Healy, the guy who's riding our, or Colt, That's how he started. You know, it, it's a really good program and why we're not tapping into that more, I blows my mind. It just, you know, like, I don't understand . Yeah. But I feel like you said it, it comes down to individual clubs too, you know? I don't know. Yeah, I, I would like to see some way of the regional clubs getting together on a monthly basis or whatever and sharing what they have that's successful. And you know, cuz I know we've had, you know, Jeffrey Oaks has started up a new club here recently. We've got a new one that just came up in North Carolina here. And I've talked to both of them and kind of their struggles and all that, but it would be really nice to, you know, once a month or once a quarter or something like that, you know, have let the regional clubs get together and, and hey, this is what work for us. This is what didn't, you know, and that kind of stuff. Maybe that's there and I don't know about it, but I don't think it. I

Jim Hollis:

wrong ? Well, no, I mean, being involved with, you know, two and you know, two regional clubs, you know, it at least we haven't been invited. , you know,

Tony Bottoms:

why don't somebody started a Facebook page or group and then I joined it, but I don't see anything from it, everyone, you know, So I don't know. You know how Facebook is? I don't know. You know, so. Oh

Jim Hollis:

yeah. But no, I think, I think that that's a I mean that's first off a great idea and but it all, when I, I think if we can find a way to give some more support to the regional clubs maybe it's some of their outreach events and stuff like that instead of. Here's a outdated flyer about what an appaloosa looks like. Right. You know, actually something that would be meaningful. You know, and maybe get some people's, you know, out and about a little bit more, maybe that'll, you know, make it exciting too. I mean, look at what the Congress Queen does, you know, for the youth, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm. And there used to be an appaloosa queen. So you know, it, not necessarily saying that it needs to go in, you know, a whole program like that, but some sort of, if we can pull together something that will make, make it exciting for everybody.

Tony Bottoms:

Right. And if given the opportunity for the club to take free marketing. A certain stallion became a Briar horse, and Briar decided to pay for an entire day. They probably should take advantage of that. just blows my mind. You have a outside organization willing to pour money into something, and why are we not going to tv? Why are we not going to radio? Why, Why are we not going to the local press trying to pull these people in? Go see a horse that looks like they're plastic horse. You know what I'm saying? I mean, it just, mm-hmm. , I don't know. It blows my mind. It's, it's like, come on. It's like laid on your lap in a golden platter. You know? It's perfect marketing event. You know, it's like, poof. There went, It's like, Oh, come on, . Jim Hollis: Well, and I, you Christopher stepped into his. You know, this summer and he is done a, a great job, you know, so far. And I think he's got a great opportunity ahead of him. So I think it's gonna be great. But I, hopefully we can all, you know, continue to see that, those sorts of ideas that he's had, so, You know, and maybe use that opportunity with Bryer, you know, as a way to get some, you know, I think that might have passed, but yeah, it was an opportunity. But I think that might have passed. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see what happens in the future. We have another one we're hoping to get there too. So , Jim Hollis: you never know. So we're trying, We're trying. So, So

Jim Hollis:

he's definitely.

Tony Bottoms:

Well, thank you. Appreciate it. I appreciate it. Like I said, if there's anything else that you can think of, then let us know and, you know, maybe we can have you back on. Hopefully next time we'll talk. As you're actually on the B od and you put some of those ideas into play, it's sad to see that your territory's the only one going, not unopposed. See, I think for me, I think that should be a rule change, quite frankly. Mm-hmm. , it's a, it's actually quite simple to put the rule change in, but getting it through, I mean, you have what, We have six ter, well, seven territories counting overseas, which but here in the states we have what, six territories and five of the six territories are going Unop. Mm-hmm. , I don't know. That, to me there seems like, I dunno, it just doesn't seem right. And I don't know, maybe it's because people are becoming unattached, I guess. I don't know. I don't know what the, I don't know. Is the people just so busy or they don't want to deal with it, or, or they just become disenfranchised? You know, I, I don't know whether the answer to that. Maybe somebody can email us back and let us know or, or comment on this post, you know, cuz I'd like to know the answers to that because I don't know. I mean, since we've been members, I don't think I've ever seen that before. I mean, I've seen some seats go unopposed, but that many, I don't think I've ever seen that many before. That's pretty, pretty wild. But, mm-hmm. . Well, thank you. And go, Go ahead. I.

Jim Hollis:

Oh yeah. No, I was just gonna say, I, I, I agree with you. And it's, it's just a, a matter of getting everybody to collab, start collaborating together. I mean, I, I know it's not gonna be an easy journey, you know, if, if I get elected, you know, there's definitely a lot of stuff that's not shared, you know, that, you know, so, But the whole, the whole thing is just, I, I think that everybody needs to understand that every board of director, the current ones, future ones and whatnot, everybody's volunteers. Right. You know, I mean, I, at least I wasn't told this was a paid position, . So well, you know,

Tony Bottoms:

I've, after talking to a lot of people on the board and a lot of people around the club, I truly believe that most people think that they are doing what is best for the club. Mm-hmm. , I don't necessarily always agree with them. And so I will voice my opinion or I will debate with them about whether that is correct or not. Mm-hmm. , and I'm, you know, I'm fallible. I'll admit I'm wrong. Not very often, but I will admit I'm wrong. You know, . So if you can convince me why I'm wrong, I'll accept it and I'll, I'll say, Alright. I, I did not see that perspective. It's happened before. I've seen something one way, and then somebody goes, Yeah, but look at it from this perspective. And then I went, Oh, okay. You got a point. I don't know if I'm completely there with you, but I understand where you're coming from. Right. But I think there are some people that are there for their benefit, but it, it also, it, and it's like I was saying before earlier, it's a perspective thing too, you know? Mm-hmm. , when you're a judge, On the bod or you know, that that's your side of things. Sometimes you lose perspective of the other side of things, you know? Yeah. It blows my mind how a lot of trainers treat customers and it's, you know, it's like, Wait a minute, wait a minute. I'm the one who's paying your salary. I'm the. that helps make all this possible. Maybe I shouldn't be treated like something that you just scraped off the bottom of your shoe and you know, we've, we've gotten rid of trainers because of that, you know, cuz it's like, but it seems to be a commonplace thing within the breed shows, you know? And it's like, when did this come about? You know? Was it the heyday of the app looses. People could treat customers that way. I don't know. I mean, cuz I wasn't here for that, so. Mm-hmm. , you know, I don't know. I just know, I know what good customer service is because, you know, I have to live it on a daily basis. You know, If I don't provide good customer service, I hear about it , you know, so it's like, Where we lost touch, you know, someplace. There's some, we've lost touch with something and I, I, I wish we could get it back, you know, and I, I say that as far as the club, as a club, I think we're losing touch with our members and I don't know, I really, I don't know how to fix it. The only way that I know how to express it is we need better customer service. And how we go about doing that. Oh, there's a whole lists of ways we can go about doing that, but I think in the end, that's what it boils down to, you know, better customer service. How, how else can you say it? ? Jim Hollis: No, I, I agree. And you know, one of the, I thought a huge step to was like the additional, the pictures and the feedback that was done at the national show you know, throughout the week. Like the candid photos and stuff like that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I mean, that was that was so nice because it, you know, it made everybody who wasn't there included and it just, it was something extra. Yeah. You were talking about on the Facebook and all that. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was done really well. I, yeah, I think that's the first time I've ever seen that in that extent, and I thought that was really good. Course, I think the person who was doing that no longer with us,

Jim Hollis:

unfortunately. Well, that was I believe that was done by a member.

Tony Bottoms:

Oh, really? Okay. I thought it was, I thought it was with somebody in the office. Okay. I didn't know that. I didn't know that part. Okay.

Jim Hollis:

So, yeah. So, but yeah, so anyway, I mean, it's just like those little things. Representing the office, you know, that just make the whole club feel better and more unified. And I think that's the perspective we need to look at, you know? Right, yeah. As we move forward with any decision, you know?

Tony Bottoms:

Yeah. I mean, I mean, I've tried to do stuff like that, you know, at Nashville. I was here at Nationals and all that, and going around talking to people, and I've done it at World. Sometimes getting the cooperation from inside the office is difficult. Yeah. Pictures are probably a little bit different. I mean, you just take a picture and you put it up, but Right. You know, I kind of wonder about that too, though. , I start thinking about, I

Jim Hollis:

wasn't gonna say that, but you know. Well, I

Tony Bottoms:

was. You know, I don't know. There's so many if, if ands or butts about that. It's like, okay, if there's a kid in the picture, do we get permission? You know, That's, that's what's going through my mind. You know what I'm saying? But, Right. I know because you're at a APH event, maybe that doesn't apply. I don't know. You know what I'm saying? Because mm-hmm. , I'm not a lawyer, so they have lawyers. I don't . Yeah. . Well, I do, but not for that. All right. Well, thank you, sir. I appreciate it. And let us know if we, you can, we can help you in any way. If there's some issues that come up you want to talk about, let us know.

Jim Hollis:

Yeah, for sure. So particularly I appreciate you having me on today and, you know, not a problem.

Tony Bottoms:

I'm confident that you'll be the next board member, but we've, we've known you for a while, so that's why I say that, you know, so it. Why not, you know, . Jim Hollis: Yeah. That's, that's good for this. Like, you know, this kind of stuff, you know, it gets people out there and, Right. I mean, we know you on a personal level, you know, we've known you, what, two, three years now? Something like that, so. Mm-hmm. , particularly Heather. Heather. I mean, obviously you and Heather have spoken quite a bit, but you know, So for me it's a, But I can't vote for you, so it

Jim Hollis:

doesn't matter. Yeah. . Right, exactly.

Tony Bottoms:

I should be able to, since I don't get to vote, you know, Come on. Like we got the little card and so we went online and we're like, we got the pick about changing the executive secretary to executive director. Mm-hmm. . And then that was it. It was like, Oh, that's kind of let down . Yeah. I mean, because that answer to me, An obvious one. Yes, it should have been executive director because every other club has an executive director, you know, nba, you know,

Jim Hollis:

so well, and that's a, that's a general nonprofit, you know, term anyway, you know, like Right, right. I was constantly like, what do we call, you know, every time I was always talking about, you know, the CEO or the you. Director, whatever. I was always changing the title cuz you know, it never . I never knew what to say.

Tony Bottoms:

Well it was like, like I was talking to Stephanie, the executive director of Nsba when it first came out, and she was like, That doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. You know, it's, she's like, Whatever,

Jim Hollis:

Well, we're fixing it, you know?

Tony Bottoms:

I mean it's, Yeah. Now we got it Fix. So, All right. Well thank you sir. I appreciate it. Have a good evening and everybody else. We'll see you next time.

Jim Hollis:

Thank you again. Thanks. Bye bye.

Tony Bottoms:

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